Jealousy - 8/7/09

[12:13] Pirate Russell: Ok, please take all cross talk to IM, and all collar, etc commands to the secondary channels!
[12:13] ***VS***: yes, sorry
[12:13] ***AD***: yes, smiles
[12:13] Pirate Russell: Welcome to House of V's College of Kink! As most of y'all know, My name is Pirate Russell, Head Mistress of the College, and today's instructor. I have been in SL for 3 1/2 years, a lesbian Domme, the entire time.
[12:13] ***AL***: well than need to get practicing more.. you in Nordhaven?
[12:13] Pirate Russell: IM Please, that's the cross talk to which I illude
[12:14] Pirate Russell: For any that need to leave early, all transcripts can be found at http://collegeofkink.blogspot.com
[12:14] Pirate Russell: DISCLAIMER: I have no training or schooling in Psychology,Psychiatry, or Counseling of ANY kind! All of My observations are from My real life and what I've found on the web
[12:14] Pirate Russell: If you are having problems dealing with Jealousy, PLEASE PLEASE contact a competent professional!
[12:14] Pirate Russell: Jealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valued relationship is being threatened by a rival.
[12:14] Pirate Russell: Dr. Jennifer James, author of "Women and the Blues: Passions That Hurt, Passions That Heal", wrote:
[12:14] Pirate Russell: "Jealousy is simply and clearly the fear that you do not have value. Jealousy scans for evidence to prove the point - that others will be preferred and rewarded more than you.
[12:15] Pirate Russell: I'd add that you don't have value to the person that's causing you the pain, not value in general
[12:15] Pirate Russell: There is only one alternative - self-value. If you cannot love yourself, you will not believe that you are loved. You will always think it's a mistake or luck.
[12:15] Pirate Russell: Take your eyes off others and turn the scanner within. Find the seeds of your jealousy, clear the old voices and experiences."
[12:16] Pirate Russell: Jealousy is an emotion that can be very damaging to ANY relationship. It can also prevent you from growing emotionally.
[12:16] Pirate Russell: It is not the same thing as envy. Jealousy wants what someone else has. Envy is when you don't want someone else to have what you don't have.
[12:16] Pirate Russell: If a person is jealous, they already have what is desired but they are afraid of losing it.
[12:16] Pirate Russell: When you are feeling jealous, you are undergoing an emotional combination of anger, dependency, hurt, and self doubt. When you spend time focusing on what you are not, this is a result of insecurity.
[12:16] Pirate Russell: Sometimes when we are afraid of losing something, we actually cause it to happen because of our actions and behaviors.
[12:16] Pirate Russell: All our thoughts and actions are centered around our fears and insecurities. This causes more fear and insecurity. These feelings cause other harmful feelings and may result in us indulging in self pity.
[12:17] Pirate Russell: What are some ways of dealing with jealousy?
[12:17] Pirate Russell: * Develop independence. We need to be sure we are not overly dependant on any one person. We need to focus on the good things we have and not on what we don't have.
[12:17] Pirate Russell: * Focus on developing more confidence and attractiveness. Sometimes something simple like getting our hair done or changing our style of clothing can help.
[12:17] ***RJ***: i try and focus on positive things instead of falling into a downward spiral
[12:18] Pirate Russell: Yepper, Raiina, that's the idea!
[12:18] Pirate Russell: Taking a course on self esteem or assertiveness is also beneficial.
[12:18] Pirate Russell: * Be honest with yourself. Sit down with paper and list things that are making you jealous. Look at it objectively. Are these things silly or trivial or are they really important?
[12:18] Pirate Russell: * Communicate with the person who is the object of your jealousy. Tell them your feelings. Is that person doing something that is causing you to be jealous? Letting them know can often help the problem.
[12:18] Pirate Russell: If this other person cares for you, they will work on changing the behavior that is adding to your jealousy. Being aware of your feelings can also help you cope better.
[12:19] Pirate Russell: Realize that jealousy shows your lack of self esteem and uncertainty of your own worth. Work on taking a really good self evaluation.
[12:19] Pirate Russell: This experience can be a wonderful learning opportunity for you. Work on communication with other people. Work on developing confidence.
[12:19] Pirate Russell: * Study your rival. Look closely at the person you are jealous about. What do you like and dislike about the person? Are his or her qualities beyond your abilities? Be sure you are not being unrealistic about that person. Are you seeing things as they
[12:20] Pirate Russell: Take control of your feelings. Terminate the relationship if nothing else seems to work. Take the time to concentrate on your own growth. Work at trying to understand and improve your relationship.
[12:20] Pirate Russell: * Do not overreact. Remember, most incidents are temporary so don't magnify what happened.
[12:20] Pirate Russell: Serious jealousy stems from a fear of loss, reputation, control of ourselves, our spouses, or relationships. Losing control of our emotions and feelings will only make things worse.
[12:20] Pirate Russell: Bad reactions to Jealousy can even cause legal problems. I spent almoust 7 years as a Public Safety Telecommunications Officer (Big words for 911 Dispatcher).
[12:21] Pirate Russell: Not one shift went by where I didn't deal with a seriuos domestic problem. Most, I'd wager, stemmed from jealousy. How many of us have read this in or local or national news media, "If I can't have him/her, then nobody can!" I've know that many people
[12:21] Pirate Russell: I, for one, don't want to be someplace I'm not wanted. That's not fun for Me!
[12:21] Pirate Russell: Yipe random trunkation
[12:21] ***VS*** smiles
[12:21] ***LF*** nods
[12:22] Pirate Russell: I know many people have been arrested from jealousy realated issues, when they wouldn't have been arrested otherwise.
[12:22] Pirate Russell: Likewise, I dont' force anyone, particularly My submissives to be with Me if they're not having fun.
[12:22] Pirate Russell: This is part of My Primary rule, that real life comes first, if you're not having fun, let's go do something that is, together or apart!
[12:23] Pirate Russell: I do get jealous sometimes. My girls have significant others with whom they spend time. I INSIST that they do! One has a fiancee, one a girl friend, and another a girl of her own.
[12:23] Pirate Russell: I miss them when they're not around, I am envious of the time they spend away, but I want them to have fun.
[12:23] Pirate Russell: Knowing they're having fun makes it all ok for Me. I want My girls, My friends, My acquaintences, and even most of My enemies to have fun.
[12:23] Pirate Russell: By having other friends, they've places to go have fun when I'm alone with one of the other girls. Even when I'm alone with one, I envy the time that the others spend away.
[12:24] Pirate Russell: I'm going to close today with one of My very favorite quotes on the subject, by Robert A Heinlein,
[12:24] Pirate Russell: "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own...
[12:24] Pirate Russell: Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition. The immature mind often mistakes one for the other, or assumes that the greater the love, the greater the jealousy."
[12:25] Pirate Russell: Citations:
[12:25] Pirate Russell: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy
[12:25] Pirate Russell: http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/dealing-with-jealousy-faq.htm
[12:25] Pirate Russell: http://www.todays-woman.net/quoteid-2304.html
[12:25] Pirate Russell: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/robert_a_heinlein.html
[12:25] Pirate Russell: Questions???? Comments?
[12:25] ***AL*** looking at Pirate. "No all makes sense"
[12:26] ***LF*** agrees with***AL***
[12:26] ***AD***: nods good things to think about when those feeling happen
[12:26] Pirate Russell: Awww... the discussion is My favorite part! LOL
[12:26] ***VS*** smiles
[12:26] ***LF*** chuckles
[12:27] ***AD***: laughs
[12:27] ***VS***: it is all great advice, indeed
[12:27] Pirate Russell knows good crap when I hear it! LOL
[12:27] ***VS***: but, I mean how does our SL environment affect this?
[12:27] Pirate Russell: er steal it!
[12:27] ***VS***: People do in fact just completely deisappear here
[12:27] ***VS***: they can turn in to other people
[12:27] ***RJ*** nods
[12:27] Pirate Russell: Well, yes, they do, and hat was last week's class, actually.
[12:27] ***AD***: lol
[12:27] ***DM***: well, just as in RL.
[12:27] Pirate Russell: Easier than in RL, can yo udo this in RL?
[12:27] ***VS***: ooh, sorry
[12:28] ***AL***: its the perfect approach, engage, avoid syndrom lol
[12:28] Pirate Russell: he he
[12:28] ***LF***: they just make new avtars when they feel like the pressure is too much
[12:28] ***VS***: Right
[12:28] ***AL***: or they screwed the person over enough
[12:28] Pirate Russell: Or make changes that drive others away!
[12:28] ***VS***: yeah
[12:28] ***DM***: Yeah - it's much easier to get emotinaly involved - you can project much more of your ideal world on people and relations here.
[12:29] ***VS***: last year I met someone who said in his profile, he wanted to make tfewer mistakes and be a better person
[12:29] ***VS***: I took that as like, great this person is going to be careful --
[12:29] ***VS***: nope!
[12:29] Pirate Russell: Yes, and you can talk about embarrassing things and not run into the people later in the Market
[12:29] ***VS***: yes, to ***DM***'s point
[12:29] ***VS***: and that makes it so much harder to contemplate losing that person
[12:29] ***DM*** nods.
[12:30] Pirate Russell: for Instance, I'm NOwhere, as attractive physically as Pirate, but she IS Me!
[12:30] ***DM*** snickers.
[12:30] ***DM***: Me neither.
[12:30] Pirate Russell: emotionally, mentally
[12:31] Pirate Russell: But that's a tad off topic...
[12:31] Pirate Russell: which I have NO Problem with, but let's wrap up jealousy first.. he he
[12:31] ***VS***: yes, I understand
[12:32] Pirate Russell: Anyone else have anything on jealousy?
[12:32] ***VS***: but I guess because people touch us here on those sensitive places,
[12:32] ***DM***: But I'm still thinking about yiour main argument - simply put you said that jealousy is a symptom of low self esteem?
[12:32] ***VS***: and we get close so fast, maybe there is more jealousy, I don;t know
[12:32] Pirate Russell: Yes, I know that many people don't realize the RL impact of playing "this Game".
[12:33] ***DM*** nods.
[12:33] ***AD***: I tend to back away when I get jealous and try to disconnect
[12:33] Pirate Russell: Well, with Jealousy, ***DM***, you already have the relationshiop
[12:33] Pirate Russell: er relationship
[12:34] Pirate Russell: you're afraid that Love will like Me better, and she'll leave you for Me
[12:34] Pirate Russell: If you are self confident, and KNOW her well, you know that even though she'd tied up in My dungeon, she's coming home to you.
[12:34] Pirate Russell: ((NO BULLETS, RANDOM EXAMPLE))
[12:34] ***RJ***: im in a relationship that started here in sl and has crossed over to RL . and i suck at jealousy its a posion
[12:35] ***DM*** nods "Yes - or I could even accept that she may not come back."
[12:35] Pirate Russell: Yes, it will cause you so much doubt in other areas.
[12:35] ***VS***: it is very hard
[12:35] Pirate Russell: yes, it is hard, waiting on someone else to make a decision, even small ones, that affect us directly is the hardest there is, I think!
[12:36] ***DM*** nods.
[12:36] ***LF***: i think you both honest it works better , lying kills it
[12:36] ***VS***: I agree there
[12:36] ***VS***: relationships take a lot of talking
[12:36] ***AD***: yes they do
[12:36] Pirate Russell: Yes, trust will get you thru things that will kill other relationships, lying will ruin an otherwise GREAT relationship
[12:36] ***DM***: ah - that's difficult - if you're really RPing here, it's all a fiction.
[12:37] ***LF***: RPing is diffrent
[12:37] Pirate Russell: Not all, because I draw on experiences, and take some RP stuff to RL, and My hubby's pretty happy 'bout that! he he
[12:37] ***DM***: Yea - but some people UsT play a role.
[12:37] ***AD***: laughs
[12:37] ***DM***: *JUST
[12:37] ***RJ***: ummsometimes the truth is just as painful
[12:38] ***VS***: Yes,
[12:38] ***LF***: Yes
[12:38] Pirate Russell: Is that possible, or do our FL Selves get into that role?
[12:38] ***RJ***: although i respect Him more for being truthful
[12:38] ***VS***: I mean sometimes you *are* going to be left for another person, but -- it is better to know it than have it be behind your back
[12:38] ***VS***: then you are hurt and also, feel like a fool and it ruins your trust in people going forward
[12:39] Pirate Russell: Everyone but 3 people have eventually left Me in RL.... hubby and kids are the ones I count on!
[12:39] ***VS***: it's a reality we have to live with,
[12:39] ***DM***: well, but loss causes pain - that's natural and halthy.
[12:39] ***VS***: the exchange of love that comes before it is worth it
[12:39] ***VS***: but I guess what I want to know is --
[12:39] ***DM***: *healthy
[12:39] Pirate Russell: Yes, I agree, I'm a happy, healthy, person!
[12:39] ***VS***: how not to let the endings get so horrible they sour what came before
[12:40] ***VS***: all things change, eventually
[12:40] Pirate Russell: Absolutely, as the Country song goes.. "You gotta be strong enouth to bend"
[12:40] ***DM***: I think it's a way to deal with it - you think it was all bad to make the loss look smaller.
[12:41] ***VS***: that's true
[12:41] ***VS***: that makes the loss, in reality, so much worse
[12:41] Pirate Russell: Yes, when you're looking back, it's hard to go forward!
[12:42] ***LF***: well you say its a game , but sometimes it hurts more than RL , as you do things here you would never do in RL
[12:42] ***DM*** nods at Vee "Of course it does - because it makes you a fool - having belierved in something that actually was bad. "
[12:42] Pirate Russell: No, I put that in quotes. Some thing it is, 'till they get here and make friends, have relationships, etc.
[12:43] Pirate Russell: er some THINK it is
[12:44] ***VS***: but if in fact you gave and recieved love then, that is healing and good, to look back and say that was false, now that is a worse loss
[12:44] ***VS***: but it is often jealousy that does that, so, it takes two things
[12:44] ***DM***: yes, I agree, ***VS***.
[12:45] Pirate Russell: Well, I strive to give love like I "lend" Money. If Keesha wanted 1000Lindens, I'd give it to her, and if I get it back, great, if not, it's a gift, and I don't need to track her down
[12:45] ***VS***: what can help there, Pirate,
[12:45] ***VS***: cognitively,
[12:45] ***VS***: after it is over, to look back with -
[12:45] ***VS***: fondness?
[12:45] ***VS***: yes
[12:45] Pirate Russell: same with love, I love people cuz I love them, not cuz they love Me!
[12:45] ***VS***: absolutely
[12:46] ***DM***: happiness to have had the liuck to experience the love of a great person - asnd pain to have lost it, I think.
[12:46] ***SF***: What about being with someone that over time, subtly exploits your weaknesses and insecurities....all before you have time to realize that has happened. How does a person recover from that?
[12:46] Pirate Russell: Well, when relationships end, you go the same grieving process as when someone dies.
[12:46] ***DM*** nods at Pirate.
[12:46] ***VS*** smiles
[12:47] ***VS***: yes
[12:47] ***KN***: it's a defensive emotion, when you break up you feel sad, in order to defend yourself and return to content or happy you get angry, often times jealousy will stem from the anger as an attempt to protect oneself even more, they're primal responses like fight or flight, survival of the fittest
[12:47] Pirate Russell: recoginzing that you're gonna be pissed, in denial, etc makes it easier to deal with each one, then get on to remembering the good times
[12:48] Pirate Russell: Might take an hour or a lifetime, though.
[12:48] ***DM***: {sorry - invitee ar CARP}
[12:48] ***KN***: the jealousy feeds off the anger in an attempt to make ones self bigger in a sense hoing to win the lost one back, thusly re-establishing yourself as the 'fittest'
[12:48] ***KN***: hoping*
[12:48] Pirate Russell: yes, ***KN***, if you let it!
[12:49] ***KN***: it's a downward spiral, the trick is recognising the spiral and getting out of it, what seperates man from ape
[12:49] Pirate Russell: And an enemy seen is MUCH more defeatable!
[12:49] ***VS***: very true
[12:50] ***VS***: specially if they can't see you!
[12:50] ***VS***: sun tzu says
[12:50] ***AD***: smiles--love the teachings of sun tzu
[12:50] ***VS***: Pirate, how do you manage jealousy between your subs,
[12:50] ***VS***: when they get jealous of the others spending time with you?
[12:50] Pirate Russell's favorite audiobook is Sun Tzu and the art of war!
[12:51] ***VS***: they are words to live by
[12:51] Pirate Russell: Well, ***VS***, I'm VERY lucky!
[12:51] ***VS***: whoops
[12:51] ***VS***: Hello Master
[12:51] ***AL***: also has an version done for executives to apply to business Krause adapted it
[12:51] Pirate Russell: 2 of My 3 girls that I see regularly, are not the jealous type.
[12:51] ***VS***: Pirate, this is my Master, ***AS***
[12:51] Pirate Russell: Welcome ***AS***
[12:51] ***VS***: /
[12:52] ***AS*** bows......"Hello Pirate......Please excuse my dropping out of the sky like that."
[12:52] Pirate Russell: No worries, you missed My toe! he he
[12:52] Pirate Russell: The 3rd woudn't be happy if she was grafted to My hip 24X7
[12:52] Pirate Russell: It woudn't be enough
[12:52] ***AS***: Mind if I sit?
[12:52] Pirate Russell: I insist!
[12:52] ***AD***: how do you deal with that
[12:53] Pirate Russell: Basically tough love.
[12:53] ***AD***: nods
[12:53] Pirate Russell: I tell her that tonight, I'm going with one of her sisters, or a friend, or whatever.
[12:53] Pirate Russell: It's hard for her, but she's got to deal wit hthat, I can't do that for her
[12:54] Pirate Russell: WB, Love
[12:54] ***AS*** smiles and waves to Love
[12:54] ***VS***: and she does not create problems with the others,
[12:54] ***VS***: or, you knbow, how to describe it,
[12:54] ***VS***: pout and such?
[12:54] ***LF***: ***AS***!, hugs
[12:54] ***AS*** hugs Love
[12:54] ***AS***: Hey there sweetie
[12:54] ***AD***: smiles at them
[12:54] Pirate Russell: No, she tries to guilt Me sometimes, but the others, if she's taking it to them, haven't told Me about it, and at least one of them would, and the 2nd one BETTER! LOL
[12:55] ***AS*** grins.....It's usually polite to ask before you sit on my face love...
[12:55] ***AS*** chuckles
[12:55] Pirate Russell: LOL
[12:55] ***LF***: laughs, "Shuuhhhh"
[12:55] ***VS***: well, that is good
[12:55] ***LF*** will be right back.
[12:55] ***AD***: laughs
[12:55] Pirate Russell: ::pushes Her hair out of Her face & calls 2nds
[12:55] ***VS***: in the past, have yo uhad bad situations with that, that you had to learn how to deal wsith?
[12:56] Pirate Russell: Yes, and it turned out to be THEIR rpoblem, and they've left the family. I have a monogamous relationship in RL, don't want that in SL
[12:56] ***AS*** laughs and wiggles his tongue at Pirate....."Sorry Vee's got first dibs."
[12:56] Pirate Russell: But we talk about it ALL the time
[12:56] ***VS***: Exasctly
[12:57] ***VS***: that issue specifically
[12:58] ***VS***: a lot of people don;t want to accept that, even though at first they say they do
[12:58] Pirate Russell: Yes, and that helps her, and she's not on a lot, so when she is I try to make time for her.
[13:00] ***LF***: I think talking is the main one , then you can both work on it together
[13:00] ***SF***: What is a girl to do when her Master will not discuss the issue? How does a girl work through it then?
[13:00] Pirate Russell: Even if you don't/can't solve the issue, showing that it's not something you're ignoring helps a lot, too.
[13:01] ***LF***: then is he the right Master, if you want to talk about it and he doesn t
[13:01] Pirate Russell: If a girl woudn't discuss things, I'd release her
[13:01] ***KN***: you get rid of that SLaster
[13:02] Pirate Russell: Remember D/s IS a relationship, RL or SL. If you're not in the right relationship, maybe it's time to move on.
[13:02] ***LF***: i think it takes time to find the right person, some think it happens right away , i think it doesn t
[13:02] ***SF***: Already have, just needed to understand things better......know that i wasn't being unreasonable.
[13:03] ***AL***: Excuse us. We don't have much more SL time together today so ***AD*** and I are going to head out. Pirate we enjoy this and would love to attend more sessions.
[13:03] ***AD***: Thank you very much pirate--smiles at her
[13:03] Pirate Russell: ***SF***, sweetie, we're all in SL to have fun. If you're not having fun, go do something, in or out, of SL to have fun!
[13:03] ***LF***: Pirate is was very intresting Thank You
[13:04] Pirate Russell: coming here for pain and crying, unlesss that's your kink, is NOT why I buy Lindens!
[13:04] ***AS*** nods in agreement
[13:04] ***AL***: Good to meet you all and ***VS***; practice!
[13:04] ***VS*** grins
[13:04] ***VS***: I shall
[13:05] Pirate Russell: Thanks for coming!
[13:05] ***AD***: His favorite words *laughs
[13:05] ***SF***: You are very right, and i am slowly mending and getting back to having fun.....i just didn't know much then....
[13:05] ***SF***: Thank You, this was most informative.
[13:05] ***LF***: it takes time , after 2 years i think i have finally lerned to control it well
[13:05] ***VS***: ***SF***, it can really sneak up on you if you are not talking all the time I think
[13:05] ***AD***: be well to all of you:))
[13:06] Pirate Russell: Thatks to y'all, I learn more from y'all, and about Me from the discussions, than I do the research for the talk!
[13:06] ***SF*** smiles, "yes ***VS***, you are so very right."
[13:06] ***AS*** chuckles
[13:07] ***AS***: Yeah......Course Vee says I talk too much...
[13:07] ***AS*** grins at Vee and winks
[13:07] ***VS*** smiles,
[13:07] ***LF*** chuckles to herself
[13:07] ***VS***: I never say that, Master
[13:07] ***VS***: I never would
[13:08] ***VS*** smiles
[13:08] ***AS*** smiles
[13:08] ***AS***: I know
[13:08] ***VS***: well,
[13:08] ***AS***: Vee and I talk a whole lot ***SF***....
[13:08] ***LF*** runs back to CARP "Thank you!, it was very good"
[13:08] ***AS***: And anybody who isn't willing or able to talk.....I probably gonna be difficult to be with in the long run
[13:08] Pirate Russell: Welcome, and thanks, Love
[13:08] ***AS***: Bye love
[13:09] ***SF*** smiles
[13:09] ***VS***: and even with talking a lot we have our moments but it's the talking that gets us past them
[13:09] Pirate Russell: Hell, ***VS***, with TEACHING it I have My moments!
[13:10] ***VS*** laughs
[13:10] ***AS*** chuckles
[13:10] ***AS***: Well, when you make your SL sub cry in RL.....You've probably done something wrong.
[13:10] Pirate Russell: yes, and no, ***AS***.
[13:10] ***VS***: Crying happens, Master
[13:11] Pirate Russell: I've had the most powerful scene with My ibrew, and we both cried
[13:11] ***VS***: it is not always because of an infracxtion of some kind
[13:11] ***AS***: Well
[13:11] ***AS***: I was going to follow with
[13:11] ***AS***: But you're not gonna make it better if you can't talk about it
[13:11] Pirate Russell: all it was was... I have a ruler that spanks several places, and was making her tell Me where to hit her next
[13:11] Pirate Russell: I've got goose bumps now, thinking about it!
[13:12] ***VS*** nods
[13:12] ***SF*** smiles
[13:12] ***VS***: that could be intense
[13:12] ***AS*** nods
[13:12] Pirate Russell: It was, she hit subspace, before either of us knew what it was, I found Domspaice for the first time
[13:12] Pirate Russell: and last time...
[13:12] ***KN***: haha, I was just about to ask if you did
[13:13] ***VS***: Pirate,
[13:13] Pirate Russell: Hubby saw Me crying, and He almost had Me leave SL, until I explained that it was a good thing, like a GOOD book, or Old Yeller.
[13:13] Pirate Russell: yes?
[13:13] ***VS***: ooh, old Yeller, ouch
[13:13] ***VS***: well I was going to ask about those expressions,
[13:13] Pirate Russell: But it was really a 'recreational cry!"
[13:13] ***VS***: I am noew to this life, and I haven;t herard them before, subspace and Dopmspace
[13:14] Pirate Russell: That's a whole other class, but I've heard subspace described as going to a 'place' where a submissive can't look out for themselves, almost a trance
[13:14] Pirate Russell: fueled by endorphins in the brain
[13:15] ***KN***: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspace_(BDSM)
[13:15] Pirate Russell: Thanks ***KN***
[13:16] ***KN***: I teach a class on it to ponygirls, who are especialy susceptible to it
[13:16] ***VS***: thank you, ***KN***
[13:16] ***VS***: Really
[13:17] ***VS***: I;ve been trying to catch that ponby class for a long time, it has not worked
[13:17] ***VS***: but I p0lan to
[13:18] ***KN***: subspace in RL can be an addiction, subspace in SL can be extremely dangerous, since SL connections are so unreliable and the care and support required to bring one out of subspace
[13:20] ***VS***: well,
[13:21] ***VS***: I mean I certainly know people who seek that experience, and aren;t to careful about who they are getting it from --
[13:21] ***VS***: that leads to problems for sure,
[13:21] ***VS***: jealousy but lots of others too
[13:21] Pirate Russell: Well, as a radio guy says, dont' believe what you hear, unless its consitant with whatyou already know!
[13:22] ***VS*** smiles
[13:23] ***VS***: well,
[13:24] ***VS***: Pirate I'd like to thank you for the class
[13:24] Pirate Russell: it is TRULY My pleasure!
[13:24] ***VS*** smiles
[13:24] ***VS***: it's good to take the time to think aobut these things with other people who are dealing with them