Dolly's, Hypnosis & Pets 9/29/08

[2008/09/29 7:07] Payne Samiam: I only have a couple of rules in class, please keep all chat to im's while i'm doing the first part of my talk although if anything or everything I say doesn't make sense then feel free to ask.
[2008/09/29 7:08] Payne Samiam: I am pretty informal I have a sort of plan but it usually doesn't last past 5 minutes.
[2008/09/29 7:08] Payne Samiam smiles
[2008/09/29 7:08] ***ZF***: Oh, pardon me ladies.
[2008/09/29 7:09] ***GG***: gently nudges ***ZF*** out of the way
[2008/09/29 7:09] ***AP***: *sniggers*
[2008/09/29 7:09] Payne Samiam: Also if anyone wishes to talk to me about anything discussed here I am happy to do so feel free to frienship me, my IM list sometimes gets lonely.
[2008/09/29 7:09] Payne Samiam: Is everyone ready ?
[2008/09/29 7:09] ***GG***: yes
[2008/09/29 7:09] ***GH*** nods
[2008/09/29 7:09] ***EC***: yes
[2008/09/29 7:09] ***AP***: Thank you, Sir
[2008/09/29 7:09] ***ML*** smiles and waves.. ready to go
[2008/09/29 7:10] Payne Samiam: Woot!! yay erm *dances about* erm yeah I R Master should be Professional hehe.
[2008/09/29 7:10] Payne Samiam: I've been exploring the naughty side of life for about 12 years.
[2008/09/29 7:11] ***CU***: grettings all
[2008/09/29 7:12] Payne Samiam: Hi
[2008/09/29 7:12] Payne Samiam: More arriving
[2008/09/29 7:12] ***PW***: i cant see you yet :(
[2008/09/29 7:12] Payne Samiam: We all or most of us are interested in what some would call kinks, fetishes and or exploration.
[2008/09/29 7:13] Payne Samiam: I doubt whether any of us have exactly the same kinks or needs
[2008/09/29 7:13] Payne Samiam: desires wants
[2008/09/29 7:13] Payne Samiam: its what makes all of this so much fun.
[2008/09/29 7:14] Payne Samiam: Today was going to be about dolly's hypnosis and pets but i'll expand that abit, i'm taking up a position as of thursday regular time 7am so this will be more an introduction.
[2008/09/29 7:15] Payne Samiam: This is rose, my girl and she will be helping me alot, after all as I see it a Master without a submissive isn't really a Master I mean who are you Mastering at that point
[2008/09/29 7:15] Payne Samiam: Same goes for the thought am I a good Master, well if I had an ego I would say yes but in truth I say ask my girl.
[2008/09/29 7:15] ***LW*** smiles and waves
[2008/09/29 7:17] Payne Samiam: I am not in this for a power trip or to have someone to talk down to, i'm in this to look after an amazing girl who has given me the most priceless gift anyone can ever be given another human being.
[2008/09/29 7:17] Payne Samiam: there trust, there love, there devotion.
[2008/09/29 7:18] Payne Samiam: Now I won't go into the basics of submission and Domination that is for another time.
[2008/09/29 7:18] Pirate Russell: Like tomorrow at 7a... hint hint, and Friday at 1p
[2008/09/29 7:18] Pirate Russell: He he
[2008/09/29 7:18] Payne Samiam: Lets look at Dolly's to some it looks wierd, strange, laughable..
[2008/09/29 7:18] Payne Samiam grins at Pirate
[2008/09/29 7:19] Payne Samiam: But its very much like at the core every other part of D/s and BDSM
[2008/09/29 7:19] Payne Samiam: control
[2008/09/29 7:20] Payne Samiam: A dolly by definition wants to become a toy, a treasured object
[2008/09/29 7:20] ***MS***: sheath whip
[2008/09/29 7:20] Payne Samiam: dressed up, controlled
[2008/09/29 7:20] Payne Samiam: posed
[2008/09/29 7:20] Payne Samiam: letting go of self
[2008/09/29 7:20] Payne Samiam: I myself am a dolly trainer but
[2008/09/29 7:21] Payne Samiam: until I met rose it wasn't really for me.
[2008/09/29 7:21] Payne Samiam: I know doll's that spend all day in sl in a plastic case
[2008/09/29 7:21] Payne Samiam: dressed in rubber.
[2008/09/29 7:21] Payne Samiam: completely vacant
[2008/09/29 7:21] ***GG***: oh my
[2008/09/29 7:21] Payne Samiam: Barbie girls
[2008/09/29 7:21] ***GH***: makes for a boring day,,wow
[2008/09/29 7:22] Payne Samiam: I understand to them it gives a perfect kind of peace
[2008/09/29 7:22] Payne Samiam: but yes your right
[2008/09/29 7:22] Payne Samiam: I prefer my girl to be interactive :)
[2008/09/29 7:22] ***PW***: i agree
[2008/09/29 7:22] ***GG***: what does the master get out of a sub being a dolly compared to not being one
[2008/09/29 7:22] Payne Samiam: Very good question
[2008/09/29 7:23] Payne Samiam: Well that doll is there for Masters use any time day or night
[2008/09/29 7:23] Payne Samiam: sex doll
[2008/09/29 7:23] Payne Samiam: ornament
[2008/09/29 7:23] ***PW***: possesion
[2008/09/29 7:23] Payne Samiam: thats the norm
[2008/09/29 7:23] Payne Samiam: yes
[2008/09/29 7:23] ***GH***: yea im not sure i get it exactly,the whole dolly part,never herd of that term
[2008/09/29 7:23] Payne Samiam: good word
[2008/09/29 7:23] ***MS***: how does that differ from slave?
[2008/09/29 7:23] ***PW***: part of the control for the master
[2008/09/29 7:23] Payne Samiam: Yes
[2008/09/29 7:23] ***GG***: where would one go to learn how to be one? I was told I probably would like it
[2008/09/29 7:24] Payne Samiam: There is a place called dolly island I believe and others
[2008/09/29 7:24] ***GG***: cool
[2008/09/29 7:24] Payne Samiam: if you message me aftwards i'll send you a landmark
[2008/09/29 7:24] ***GG***: ty
[2008/09/29 7:24] Payne Samiam: Rose is a different kind of dolly
[2008/09/29 7:25] Payne Samiam: she is what I call a fluid submissive.
[2008/09/29 7:25] ***GG***: ?
[2008/09/29 7:26] ***GG***: (wonders how many different dolly's there are)
[2008/09/29 7:26] ***PW***: i think he means that she will go along with things and not question - it also pleases her
[2008/09/29 7:26] ***PW***: intuitive
[2008/09/29 7:26] ***GG***: but that is a regular slave
[2008/09/29 7:27] Payne Samiam: Sorry all Sl decided to boot me
[2008/09/29 7:27] ***PW***: lol - pain
[2008/09/29 7:27] ***GH***: wb
[2008/09/29 7:27] Payne Samiam: *pokes sl*
[2008/09/29 7:27] Payne Samiam: Thank you
[2008/09/29 7:28] Payne Samiam: I personally myself prefer a girl who can be my friend, companion, lover, who I can talk with as my confident who I can explore anything with.
[2008/09/29 7:28] Pirate Russell looks at Her 2 girls, "Got that!"
[2008/09/29 7:28] ***GG***: so Sir Payne how many different kinds of dolly's are there
[2008/09/29 7:28] Payne Samiam: Most Dolly I know become so refined into plastic personalities into completely being a dolly they can't do anything else.
[2008/09/29 7:29] Payne Samiam: There is Latex dolly's who embrace the complete covering of there bodies in latex
[2008/09/29 7:29] ***GG***: so by fluid dolly you meant LadyRose does other things?
[2008/09/29 7:29] Payne Samiam: Yes
[2008/09/29 7:30] Payne Samiam: She never looses herself
[2008/09/29 7:30] Payne Samiam: its very easy to loose yourself in becoming a doll.
[2008/09/29 7:30] Payne Samiam: very like becoming a slave
[2008/09/29 7:31] Payne Samiam: If you don't have a Good Master or Mistress you can end up lost
[2008/09/29 7:31] ***PW***: so do you use doll and pet descriptively together
[2008/09/29 7:32] ***PW***: since my pet - i would not describe as my doll
[2008/09/29 7:32] Payne Samiam: I don't use the term pet much these days i'm more likely to call rose my yumilicious woman of nummy naughtiness
[2008/09/29 7:32] ***PW***: i know what you mean
[2008/09/29 7:32] Payne Samiam: Its really all about personal preferences
[2008/09/29 7:32] ***PW***: :)
[2008/09/29 7:32] Payne Samiam: what works for you.
[2008/09/29 7:33] ***PW***: i agree
[2008/09/29 7:33] Payne Samiam: See doll is like a sub heading like submissive, slave, dolly but they are interchangable depending on you and who you are with.
[2008/09/29 7:33] ***GG***: so this may be an obvious question does the MAster or Mistress get turned on by what they have dolly wear?
[2008/09/29 7:33] Payne Samiam: Oh yes alot of the time, not always but it can be very kinky :)
[2008/09/29 7:34] Pirate Russell: Dolly's can also be recogin***ZF*** sometimes by having a key in their back, to be wound up
[2008/09/29 7:34] Payne Samiam: I have seen girls in london at the scene completely dressed in latex complete dolification, they do look quite erotic
[2008/09/29 7:34] ***GG***: was wondering what the keys do
[2008/09/29 7:34] Payne Samiam: That is another type of Dolly a clockwork type, rose my dolly is nuclear powered :)
[2008/09/29 7:35] ***PW***: like a clockwork toy
[2008/09/29 7:35] ***GG***: WOW was wondering if they do this in RL
[2008/09/29 7:35] Payne Samiam: Latex and pvc (vinyl) are used alot in the clothing of a doll because it simulates the skin of a doll
[2008/09/29 7:36] ***GG***: ah I see
[2008/09/29 7:36] ***ZF*** loves seeing latex dolls.
[2008/09/29 7:36] Payne Samiam: In SL and places like this you can take it to whatever your imagination wants too
[2008/09/29 7:36] ***PW***: i have not seen the keys but the pvc in rl
[2008/09/29 7:36] ***CF***: These may be the first people in line to purchase interactive realdolls.
[2008/09/29 7:36] Payne Samiam smiles
[2008/09/29 7:36] ***PW***: you could have a bot dressed as a clockwork Crystal
[2008/09/29 7:37] ***PW*** smiles
[2008/09/29 7:37] ***CF***: (nope, talkng about RL here)
[2008/09/29 7:37] Payne Samiam: hypnosis erotic hypnosis is used alot in letting the girl let go of herself to become a bot, you will see it used alot.
[2008/09/29 7:37] ***PW***: i know
[2008/09/29 7:37] Payne Samiam: The japanese are already working on sex dolls of that kind.
[2008/09/29 7:38] ***GG***: just discovering trance now with some hypnodoms
[2008/09/29 7:38] Payne Samiam: Trance can be a wonderful thing
[2008/09/29 7:38] ***MS***: coppelia comes to reality
[2008/09/29 7:39] Payne Samiam: Rose is a wonderful subject we are currently exploring alot of that kind of thing
[2008/09/29 7:39] Payne Samiam: but i'll do many classes on hypnosis and how to use it safely
[2008/09/29 7:39] Payne Samiam: If people want that.
[2008/09/29 7:39] Payne Samiam: It will all depend on feedback I get.
[2008/09/29 7:39] ***GG***: but what is the difference if someone was going to do something anyway...
[2008/09/29 7:39] ***GG***: that would be great
[2008/09/29 7:40] Payne Samiam: Hypnosis can take you places that are really special.
[2008/09/29 7:40] Payne Samiam: lets bookmark that for thursday's meeting
[2008/09/29 7:41] Payne Samiam: You don't see many male doll's either here or in real life scene, there is some but its like 100/1 ratio
[2008/09/29 7:42] ***ZF***: I've seen a few male dolls a while ago, not too many indeed.
[2008/09/29 7:42] ***GG***: I went to a special place and didn't want to come back...does that happen alot?
[2008/09/29 7:42] ***GG***: haha
[2008/09/29 7:42] Pirate Russell: What Isee in SL, as I"m only a Cyber Domme, is that there are far fewer male subs of any type
[2008/09/29 7:42] Payne Samiam: Now using hypnosis in a dolly context you can associate the person sitting at the computer with the avatar in sl, in such a powerful way that as she dresses in latex in sl she actually feels it covering her body in rl the smell the touch it can be 100% real to her
[2008/09/29 7:43] Payne Samiam: which as you can imagine can be a huge turn on and help in helping a girl to become a dolly.
[2008/09/29 7:43] ***GG***: ohhhhhhhhhhhhh nice
[2008/09/29 7:43] Pirate Russell: So, hypno. is a non-electronic version of Virtual Reality, then
[2008/09/29 7:43] Payne Samiam: Yes actually
[2008/09/29 7:44] ***ZF***: Nice.
[2008/09/29 7:44] Payne Samiam: hypnosis actually means this an I can put it quite simply
[2008/09/29 7:44] Payne Samiam: a change of awareness
[2008/09/29 7:44] ***GG***: ah ok
[2008/09/29 7:44] Payne Samiam: if any of you like reading books or watching a film and feel yourself excited or caring for a character, having emotions
[2008/09/29 7:44] Payne Samiam: you have self hypnotised yourself
[2008/09/29 7:44] Pirate Russell hates fininshing most books, for just that reason
[2008/09/29 7:45] Payne Samiam: changed your awareness to a place where that fiction means something and affects you in a very real way.
[2008/09/29 7:45] ***PW***: like sl itself
[2008/09/29 7:45] ***PW***: overall i mean
[2008/09/29 7:45] ***LW*** is back and reading :)
[2008/09/29 7:46] Payne Samiam: One girl wanted to be a neko, so I gave her a phrase she could say herself which when she said it she swore she could feel her tail and ears and got certain neko urgers :)
[2008/09/29 7:46] Payne Samiam: Welcome back love
[2008/09/29 7:46] Payne Samiam: It took weeks but for her it was what she wanted
[2008/09/29 7:46] ***LW***: grins
[2008/09/29 7:46] Pirate Russell: How much of the online response to hypnosis, is telling you what you want to hear?
[2008/09/29 7:47] Payne Samiam: It takes alot of trust and personal time for it to work
[2008/09/29 7:47] ***GG***: and I am sure it is easier to do it by voice than by texting
[2008/09/29 7:47] ***LW***: I'm sure alot of people use it to roleplay, but you have to be a very very very good roleplayer to keep it up over a long period of time....it becomes obvious soon if the person is faking.
[2008/09/29 7:47] ***GG***: I would think so
[2008/09/29 7:47] Payne Samiam: you will always get especially with submissives and there need to please to tell you what you want to hear but thats what you cover on day one
[2008/09/29 7:48] Payne Samiam: that you need honest feedback
[2008/09/29 7:48] ***LW***: and if two people both just want to roleplay, there is no harm in that :)
[2008/09/29 7:48] Pirate Russell: And tomorrow and Friday, too! LOL
[2008/09/29 7:48] Payne Samiam: hypnosis is very personal it can take weeks or months to find what works for you
[2008/09/29 7:48] ***AP*** asks - can you change your awareness by watching the same DVD, listening to the same MP3 file, which use certain key words as triggers... or is that not the same thing?
[2008/09/29 7:49] ***LW*** nods and thinks it is the same thing
[2008/09/29 7:49] Payne Samiam: That can work but it will never work as well as a real person adapting to you and talking you through
[2008/09/29 7:49] ***LW***: true
[2008/09/29 7:49] ***LW***: :)
[2008/09/29 7:49] ***AP***: *specifically chosen DVD's or moving website pics and words
[2008/09/29 7:49] ***GG***: I would think so...I get into a different state of mind...when I hear the word GIRL or calling one Sir or MAster
[2008/09/29 7:49] ***AP***: Thank you :0
[2008/09/29 7:50] Payne Samiam: Text can be as powerful as voice especially for anyone who loves books anyone who can get lost in a book can be put in a trance by text
[2008/09/29 7:50] ***LW*** thinks subspace is a type of hypnosis
[2008/09/29 7:50] ***GG***: right
[2008/09/29 7:50] Payne Samiam: Yes it is rose
[2008/09/29 7:50] Payne Samiam: see it brings up another idea
[2008/09/29 7:50] Payne Samiam: lots of people reach subspace by different means
[2008/09/29 7:50] Payne Samiam: some its bondage
[2008/09/29 7:50] Payne Samiam: some its pain
[2008/09/29 7:50] Payne Samiam: others its extreme emotions
[2008/09/29 7:51] Payne Samiam: some its being cuddled by Master
[2008/09/29 7:51] Payne Samiam: its all very unique and personal
[2008/09/29 7:52] Payne Samiam: I can't describe to you how a proper trance feels but once you have it, you want more, its very like subspace, peaceful and wonderful but beyond words
[2008/09/29 7:52] Payne Samiam hugs rose
[2008/09/29 7:52] Payne Samiam: Being a dolly to some just the act of that loss of control slips them into subspace
[2008/09/29 7:52] ***LW*** smiles
[2008/09/29 7:53] ***GG***: that sounds like a little place I went to and I didnt want to come back
[2008/09/29 7:53] Payne Samiam: As with everything in D/s its a very personal journey and unique to everyone.
[2008/09/29 7:53] Payne Samiam: We is all individuals :)
[2008/09/29 7:54] Payne Samiam: Does anyone have any questions and would you like if thursdays meeting specifically delt with hypnosis and how to safely try it?
[2008/09/29 7:55] ***GG***: sure
[2008/09/29 7:55] ***GH***: nope no questions from me
[2008/09/29 7:55] ***PW***: me niether
[2008/09/29 7:56] ***AP*** says "yes, I'd like to hear more on the subject of hypnosis"
[2008/09/29 7:56] Payne Samiam: As with everything what I tell you is how I find it, how I experience it, so I don't expect everything to be good for you all
[2008/09/29 7:56] Pirate Russell: *****you will all come back thursday...... you will bring friends...... *****
[2008/09/29 7:56] ***GH***: hahaha
[2008/09/29 7:57] Payne Samiam: What I say to my own girl is, when we train, when we explore these things its " does it feel right" trust that feeling inside you.
[2008/09/29 7:57] Payne Samiam: hehe
[2008/09/29 7:57] ***AP***: *smiles*
[2008/09/29 7:57] ***PW***: i will ...and i will bring my friends
[2008/09/29 7:57] Payne Samiam: Thank you for having me :)
[2008/09/29 7:57] ***PW***: thank you
[2008/09/29 7:57] ***GG***: is there ever a time when a trance does something negative?
[2008/09/29 7:57] Payne Samiam: ohh what a choice of words that could be taken so many ways
[2008/09/29 7:57] Pirate Russell: HEY..... I haven't had you, Payne!
[2008/09/29 7:57] ***GH***: very interesting class,thank you
[2008/09/29 7:58] Payne Samiam smiles happily
[2008/09/29 7:58] ***GG***: woohooo
[2008/09/29 7:58] Pirate Russell: Thanks, Payne, and Welcome to the College of Kink Family!
[2008/09/29 7:58] ***AP***: Thank you, for coming, Sir Payne! It was most enjoyable
[2008/09/29 7:58] Payne Samiam: Trance can not be used on its own to do harm your minds own defences will come into play.
[2008/09/29 7:58] Payne Samiam: but like anything there are idiots out there
[2008/09/29 7:58] ***GG***: thats good to know
[2008/09/29 7:59] Payne Samiam: Yay Thankyou Pirate for having me :)
[2008/09/29 7:59] Payne Samiam: Never let anyone trance you on first date :)
[2008/09/29 7:59] Payne Samiam: its like everything, find someone who wants to get to know you
[2008/09/29 7:59] ***GG***: right I had someone try to rush me..
[2008/09/29 7:59] Payne Samiam: a good erotic hypnotist will learn as much as you do its a path
[2008/09/29 8:00] Payne Samiam: if it doesn't feel right then its not right
[2008/09/29 8:00] Payne Samiam: If anyone wants to gang rape my friends list feel free to *grins*
[2008/09/29 8:00] ***GG***: haha
[2008/09/29 8:00] ***GH***: eewwie
[2008/09/29 8:00] ***AP***: With pleasure! :) LOL
[2008/09/29 8:00] ***PW*** smiles
[2008/09/29 8:01] Pirate Russell: What's the trigger, Payne?
[2008/09/29 8:01] ***PW***: lol
[2008/09/29 8:01] Payne Samiam: lol
[2008/09/29 8:01] Payne Samiam: What trigger :)
[2008/09/29 8:01] Ibrew Meads giggles
[2008/09/29 8:01] Pirate Russell: Post hypnotic suggesitons for the gang rape!
[2008/09/29 8:01] ***AP***: *giggles*
[2008/09/29 8:01] Payne Samiam grins
[2008/09/29 8:02] ***PW*** likes Pirate's thinking
[2008/09/29 8:02] Pirate Russell makes a point of staying at least 1/4 step ahead of My Instructors! LOL
[2008/09/29 8:02] ***PW***: lol - i bet
[2008/09/29 8:02] Payne Samiam: There is alot of bullshit and falsehoods in hypnosis especially erotic hypnosis but please feel free to ask me if anything concerns you
[2008/09/29 8:03] Payne Samiam: Thats why its fun to work with you Pirate :)
[2008/09/29 8:03] Payne Samiam: very like D/s there is alot of B/s out there
[2008/09/29 8:03] ***LW*** tickles her Master's leg
[2008/09/29 8:03] Payne Samiam snuggles his girl
[2008/09/29 8:03] ***LW***: With Master's permission, I can friend others too, let me know :)
[2008/09/29 8:04] Payne Samiam: Yes love
[2008/09/29 8:04] Pirate Russell: Well, Payne, RL beckons.... Ciao for now, y'all!
[2008/09/29 8:04] ***LW*** tickles her Master's leg again
[2008/09/29 8:04] ***GG***: bye Pirate
[2008/09/29 8:04] ***LW***: yay
[2008/09/29 8:04] Payne Samiam: You need to go work love *kisses*
[2008/09/29 8:04] Pirate Russell: Thanks again Payne, see y'all here tomorrow, same time, for Intro to submission
[2008/09/29 8:04] Payne Samiam: Bye Pirate :)
[2008/09/29 8:04] ***MS***: tc pirate :)
[2008/09/29 8:04] ***PW***: bye Pi