Just what IS D/s - Tuesday

[7:03] Pirate Russell: Please handle private conversations in IM!
[7:05] Pirate Russell: Welcome to House of V's College of Kink!
[7:05] Pirate Russell: My name is Pirate Russell, Head Mistress of the College, and today's instructor.
[7:05] Pirate Russell: I have been in SL for nearly 3 years, a lesbian Domme, the entire time.
[7:05] Pirate Russell: Our topic today: Dominance & Control, A Power Exchange Relationship
[7:06] Pirate Russell: I would like to preface this with My usual, EVERY releationship is as different as those that are in it
[7:06] Pirate Russell: If anyone were to ask what 'Dominance and submission' is, they'd receive almost as many answers as people who practice it.
[7:06] Pirate Russell: Simply stated, though, most would agree that D/s consists of a consensual relationship that is based around a power exchange between two people.
[7:06] Pirate Russell: One person is the controlling one, known as the Dominant; the other person is the controlled one, and is known as the submissive (note that 'Dominant' is usually capitalised and that 'submissive' is not).
[7:07] Pirate Russell: The submissive gives a certain amount of 'power' to the Dominant over their lives. This can be as simple as the Dominant telling them what to wear each day, or can be as complex as them having to ask the Dominant for permission to even leave the room.
[7:07] Pirate Russell: The important thing to note here is that we are talking about consensual relationships. The rights of the submissive are not taken from them, they are given freely during a period of negotiation.
[7:07] Pirate Russell: ~~ Total Power Exchange
[7:07] Pirate Russell: Arguably, the 'pinnacle' of D/s relationships is a Total Power Exchange (TPE) relationship, where the submissive gives up all control to the Dominant.
[7:08] Pirate Russell: Total means just that. The Dominant controls every aspect of their lives from what they wear or eat, to where they go and who they see. There are many that claim to have this, but this Researcher has seen few real examples.
[7:08] Pirate Russell: It should be emphasised that this is only arguably the pinnacle of D/s relationships. The other side of the coin is that every D/s relationship is just as good no matter how much power is exchanged.
[7:08] Pirate Russell: ~~ Some Terms: Before we go too much further, let's define a few terms that exist within the D/s lifestyle:
[7:08] Pirate Russell: * Dominant - The person who has been given some amount of control over the submissive. Other terms describing them are Dom and Domme.
[7:08] Pirate Russell: * submissive - The person who gives some amount of control to the Dominant. Other terms describing them are sub, pet and slave.
[7:09] Pirate Russell: * D/s - Dominance and submission. A power exchange relationship.
[7:09] Pirate Russell: * Lifestyle - Generally those that practice D/s are part of 'the lifestyle'. It doesn't mean anything, it's just a descriptive term.
[7:09] Pirate Russell: * Vanilla - a non-D/s relationship.
[7:09] Pirate Russell: * 24/7 - Living a D/s relationship 24 hours a day, seven days a week. To put it another way, you are always in a power exchange relationship.
[7:09] Pirate Russell: * Scene - The best way to describe this is to think of a 'scene' from a movie. This is one interaction between a Dom and a sub. It doesn't have to be sexual; all that is required is that a power exchange has taken place.
[7:10] Pirate Russell: Those not in a 24/7 relationship tend to have 'scenes' where the power exchange happens. Even those in 24/7 relationships can have scenes, where the exchange becomes deeper.
[7:10] Pirate Russell: * Top - A person who Dominates for only a scene. If you think of it as a 'one night stand' in the D/s lifestyle you wouldn't be quite correct, but it's a good start.
[7:10] Pirate Russell: This doesn't mean that the Top is a 'Dominant', just that the dominate for the one scene.
[7:10] Pirate Russell: * bottom - A person who is submissive for only a scene. This does not mean the person is always a submissive, just that they are submissive for the scene. See 'Top'.
[7:11] Pirate Russell: * Switch - Someone who switches between the Dominant and submissive roles.
[7:11] Pirate Russell: * Safewords - These are words that are used by either Dom or sub to slow down, or stop a scene. Having negotiated a safeword is very important.
[7:11] Pirate Russell: It means that if something is happening that makes either person uncomfortable, they can either back off a little, or stop.
[7:11] Pirate Russell: D/s Isn't about Abuse
[7:11] Pirate Russell: Though the point has already been made it's important to emphasise that this article is about a consensual power exchange.
[7:11] Pirate Russell: Whatever happens to the sub, whatever demands are made of them, they have agreed to this.
[7:12] Pirate Russell: If they haven't, if they never asked for this, or they don't want this, then it's an abusive relationship and is not the kind of relationship covered by this class.
[7:12] Pirate Russell: ~~ Some Myths about D/s Relationships:
[7:12] Pirate Russell: submissives are always Women - - WRONG
[7:12] Pirate Russell: If your image of a submissive is a woman, no matter how she's dressed, think again. There are a great number of male submissives out there.
[7:12] Pirate Russell: submissives are Weak - - WRONG
[7:13] Pirate Russell: If someone has to have someone else run their lives for them they must be weak, right?
[7:13] Pirate Russell: Wrong. Many submissives are quite powerful people outside their D/s relationship: lawyers, managers, business people, police, soldiers and so on.
[7:13] Pirate Russell: For some, being a submissive in the home, or merely in the bedroom, is a way of escaping from the normal pressures of being in charge.
[7:13] Pirate Russell: The submissives I know, are the strongest people I know!
[7:13] Pirate Russell: D/s is all about the *Kinky* Sex - - Wrong
[7:13] Pirate Russell: Sure, D/s couples often have kinky sex. Then again, vanilla couples often do too.
[7:13] Pirate Russell: What defines a D/s relationship has very little to do with the methods used, so much as the power exchange.
[7:14] Pirate Russell: A simple 'no' when a sub asks if they can have a drink can have as much 'power' as getting them to kneel.
[7:14] Pirate Russell: ~~ Entering a D/s Relationship
[7:14] Pirate Russell: When two people are about to enter a D/s relationship, the first step is negotiation. This is a period where no power exchange occurs, but is a discussion where the parameters of the relationship are discussed.
[7:15] Pirate Russell: And should be discussed as "equals" not with the submissive bullied into doing things they don't want to!
[7:15] Pirate Russell: a) How much power will the Dominant have over the submissive?
[7:15] Pirate Russell: b) What hard limits do both have; that is, to what activities are one or both opposed?
[7:15] Pirate Russell: c) What will be the safewords?
[7:16] Pirate Russell: d) What will be the period of the relationship?
[7:16] Pirate Russell: Often after negotiation a contract is drawn up, setting out all of the parameters discussed.
[7:16] Pirate Russell: In this way there can be no misunderstandings.
[7:16] Pirate Russell: ~~ Collars
[7:16] Pirate Russell: In most Western marriages, the symbols of the marriage are the wedding rings worn by the happy couple.
[7:16] Pirate Russell: You can probably think of a collar meaning a similar thing to a wedding ring, although in a D/s relationship it's more common for only the sub to wear a collar to show that they are owned by or bound to a Dom.
[7:16] Pirate Russell: Collars come in all shapes and sizes, from a leather collar that is remarkably similar to that worn by pets, to elegant necklaces that could be worn at the classiest society ball.
[7:17] Pirate Russell: A collar is a symbol and is therefore as individual as the Dominant and submissive within the D/s relationship.
[7:17] Pirate Russell: ~~ Why on Earth Would you Go through all This?
[7:17] Pirate Russell: It seems a D/s relationship is an awful lot of work, doesn't it? Negotiation, contracts, safewords before you even get to the relationship itself.
[7:17] Pirate Russell: Yes, it is a lot of work, but the rewards can be worth it.
[7:18] Pirate Russell: At this point it should be noted that a D/s relationship is not for everyone. Most relationships, even vanilla ones, contain power exchanges.
[7:18] Pirate Russell: In some relationships one partner is always Dominant, in other relationships whoever is Dominant changes almost constantly. That, however, doesn't mean that the whole relationship should become a D/s one.
[7:18] Pirate Russell: Some couples only practice D/s in the bedroom, others in the home, others all the time and some never.
[7:18] Pirate Russell: Like all relationships, good communication is needed to keep a D/s relationship on track. The difference here, is that it is essential to the success of a D/s relationship.
[7:18] Pirate Russell: The basis of a D/s relationship is trust. This is not just the trust that neither partner will cheat, but the sort of deep trust where the partners will trust each other with their lives.
[7:19] Pirate Russell: For the submissive, they need to trust the Dominant with their physical and mental health; to trust that the Dominant will guide and protect them.
[7:19] Pirate Russell: For the Dominant this means trusting that the submissive is totally truthful with them, giving them all the information they need to make good decisions.
[7:19] Pirate Russell: As the communication flows more freely and the trust grows, the entire relationship becomes deeper and more fulfilling. This also applies to a vanilla relationship, but there isn't necessarily the same impetus to keep communication flowing.
[7:19] Pirate Russell: ~~ Traps and Pitfalls
[7:20] Pirate Russell: The submissive gives power to the Dominant. This means the submissive can open themselves to abuse. This risk can be lessened by keeping the following in mind. They're not bad guidelines for vanilla relationships either:
[7:20] Pirate Russell: * Don't trust too easily. Trust is earned. Before giving someone power over you, make sure they can be trusted. Take time to learn about the person.
[7:20] Pirate Russell: * Go slowly. Don't be impatient for it all to happen at once. Take it in small steps.
[7:20] Pirate Russell: * Be honest. Don't say things just to please your partner. If you don't like something, or are unsure, say so. By the same token, if you like it a lot, say so.
[7:21] Pirate Russell: * If there is the smallest hint of abuse, back off. No matter how good your partner is in other areas, if they are abusive, leave. Sometimes we do hurt others by mistake, but if there is obvious abusive behaviour, either mental or physical, then leave
[7:21] Pirate Russell: * Remember that everyone is human, and thus can make mistakes. Don't let a mistake ruin the relationship. Instead, talk about it openly, and try to learn something from it to help the relationship grow.
[7:21] Pirate Russell: Citation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A583490
[7:21] Pirate Russell: Comments?
[7:22] ***ZB***: Excellent set of traps, but I would add one thing to it
[7:23] Pirate Russell: Please do!
[7:23] ***ZB***: Don;t be closed...be open and ready to explore things that you may bot have had the desire or nerve to see before. Learn from your partner, and be ready to teach them as well
[7:23] Pirate Russell: Yes, that contract should be renegotiated OFTEN!
[7:23] ***tY***: raises hand
[7:23] Pirate Russell: yes, ***tY***?
[7:24] ***tY***: I have a comment about >>> Pirate Russell: ~~ Total Power Exchange
[7:07] Pirate Russell: Arguably, the 'pinnacle' of D/s relationships is a Total Power Exchange (TPE) relationship, where the submissive gives up all control to the Dominant.
[[7:24] ***tY***: about total power exchange
[7:24] ***tY***: sorry, got the pasting messed up ;)
[7:25] ***tY***: it would seem to me that in a total power exhcnage relationship, one is a slave, not a submissive
[7:25] Pirate Russell: Submissive is the broad term, All slaves, pets, etc are submissives
[7:25] ***ZB*** strangles Miss ***ML***, 's titled and hides it under the ottoman
[7:26] ***IM***, : girl is supprised that power exchange is looked down upon in a D/s relationship but encourged in a vanilla one. The boy is supposed to ask for a da***tY***, decide what movie to see, even order dinner for his da***tY***, so why is a D/s relationship looked down upon so much?
[7:26] ***tY***: a slave is submissive.. but a submissive is not a slave, is the way I see it
[7:26] Pirate Russell: Same here
[7:26] ***tY***: a submissive becomes a slave if there is total power exhcange
[7:26] ***ZB***: Odds are your grandmother did everything a D/s submissive does....except wear leather panties....and I am not sure about the last
[7:27] ***ZB***: It simply doesn;t jibe with what people think is "modern" behavior
[7:27] ***tY***: I just see a difference between being a slave and being a submissive
[7:27] ***tY***: (not sure about my grandma.. giggles)
[7:28] ***ZB***: The term slave is very very subjective Miss ***tY***
[7:28] ***ZB***: some people use it, some don;t, for some, it has many different meanings
[7:28] ***ML***, : has a question.. even tho sub, pet, and slave are basically the same thing.. if more than one in a d/s relationship is there rankings amoungst?
[7:28] ***ZB***: it is definetly a loaded word
[7:28] ***tY***: I don't go with "subjective" when it comes to definitions :)
[7:28] Pirate Russell: So do I, and ALL these terms for one that gives up their power to a Dominant, are used different ways by different people
[7:28] ***TF***: diff is subs have rights ,slaves dont
[7:29] ***tY***: right tesia.. a sub has rights regardless.. slave has rights ONLY if they are afforded to her/him by their owner
[7:29] ***TF***: Yes Ma'am
[7:30] ***ZB***: maybe, maybe not..depends how it is used by THAT Master..i would say a girl Always has rights no mater what she is called
[7:30] ***tY***: I suppose I see a marked difference as I am a submissive here as ***tY***, and a slave in my other AV
[7:30] ***ZB***: for me, a Slave is a collared submissive
[7:30] ***XD***: i met someone in HoV demanding i be his slave.. and I am very nervous about it..
[7:30] ***IM***, : Slave *usually* has the connotation of being state supported as well, submissive is personal, slave is legal.
[7:30] ***ZB***: If the DEMANDED it Miss ***XD***, the answer is NO, or Let's get to know each other first
[7:30] ***tY***: and I see a great difference between being a submissve here as te and being a slave in my other av
[7:31] ***XD***: i keep telling him i need to get to know him.. many times i told him this
[7:31] ***ZB***: If he is not listening, then steer clear of him Miss ***XD***
[7:31] ***XD***: ok**!
[7:33] ***tY***: a slave has no rights.. a submissive always has them
[7:33] ***ZB***: If that is your definition Miss ***tY***, and it clarifies things for you, then you are absolutely right
[7:33] Pirate Russell: As far as I am concerned a slave, sub, pet, girl, whatever has whatever rights their Dominant grants.
[7:34] Pirate Russell: But ALL submissives have the right to enjoy what they do here!
[7:34] ***tY***: yes, a sub has the right to enjoyment, I agree.. a slave may not .. giggles
[7:34] Pirate Russell: If not, Safeword, Communica***tY***, move on, if applicable
[7:35] ***IM***, : Many of these words have not exact official defnintion in the D/s world. It's very important to agree on the definitions before entering a relationship.
[7:35] ***tY***: anyway, I won't harp on it, says she who just has, but I see a distinct difference as I have been both
[7:35] ***ZB***: Absolutely Miss ***IM***
[7:35] ***tY***: yes ibrew, I agree, that is crucial
[7:36] Pirate Russell: Which is that negotiation phase
[7:36] ***IM***, nods
[7:36] ***BH***: girl is reminded that every discussion of D/s repationships online seems to get bogged down in semantics
[7:36] ***ZB***: Very important, so know one comes around later and misunderstood something, or expected something else
[7:36] Pirate Russell: For instance, if the participants are African American, I imagine the word "Slave" is prolly not gonna be used, no matter how much power is exchanged
[7:37] ***ZB***: nod..as i said, it is a loaded word for many people
[7:37] ***tY***: yes, the word 'slave" under some circumstances might be avoided
[7:37] ***ZB***: I know some people who use Pet instead
[7:37] Pirate Russell: So sub might mean total power excahnge
[7:37] ***ZB***: and one Master years ago, who rather then a title, called his three girls Moe larry and Curly
[7:37] ***ML***, giggles
[7:37] ***XD***: lol
[7:38] ***BH*** giggles
[7:38] ***TF***: i got cats by those names
[7:38] ***TF***: laughs
[7:38] ***ZB***: I imagine watching them scene would have been...interesting
[7:38] ***ZB***: lots of hot nyucking
[7:38] ***IM***, giggles
[7:38] Pirate Russell: I endeavor to treat My pets as just that pets, companions that I care for (in boths senses of the word), and enjoy the unconditional love of
[7:38] ***ML***, tries to contain her composure from ***ZB***s joke
[7:38] ***TF***: grins
[7:39] ***BH***: the definition girl adheres to most often is that "sub" is someone who controls a scene, much as a director controls it..."slave" doesn't
[7:39] ***tY***: I think there were some great points about abuse
[7:39] ***ZB***: That is an interesting view..and i agree completely
[7:39] ***ZB***: the sub has the real power
[7:40] ***tY***: of course, a Master is only a Master if she allows him to be
[7:40] Pirate Russell: But if I take all bat's rights away and tell her she will be called "sub" then she no longer controls the scene
[7:40] ***ZB***: but she must surrender the control
[7:40] ***BH*** grins
[7:40] ***IM***, : or even if she is called mistress. it's just a word.
[7:40] Pirate Russell: Yes, but she's just "sub"
[7:40] ***ZB***: if she is willing to accept the concequences, she can say Nuts and log off
[7:41] Pirate Russell: Hell, I'll call her "bus" or club, what I'm saying is there are n set definitions
[7:41] ***BH***: girl would be called "sub" at Miss's command, but she would remain slave in reality
[7:41] Pirate Russell: er no set ....
[7:41] ***tY***: to me to be in a slave?Master relationhsip requires a higher level of trust
[7:41] Pirate Russell: In all My readings Dominant and submissive are the general terms for the participants, along wtth switch
[7:42] Pirate Russell: My, and batla's, point is that you see that as slave, W/we might see that as pet, the WORD isn't important, negotiating the Power Exchange is
[7:43] ***tY***: hardest thing I have ever done in SL, was to be a slave.. to give away al of one's power to another
[7:43] Pirate Russell: ok
[7:43] Pirate Russell: Let's move on to the abuse question please
[7:43] ***BH***: in girl's dealings in RL....Dom/Dommes are sometimes looked down on as part-timers...but then there's a lot of snobbery, all based around labels
[7:43] ***tY***: oh yes, sorry.. let me find what was said
[7:44] Pirate Russell: [7:39] ***tY***: I think there were some great points about abuse
[7:44] ***tY***: [7:21] Pirate Russell: * If there is the smallest hint of abuse, back off. No matter how good your partner is in other areas, if they are abusive, leave. Sometimes we do hurt others by mistake, but if there is obvious abusive behaviour, either mental or physical, then leave
[7:44] ***tY***: I wish more girls I know had taken heed of that..
[7:44] ***IM***, nods
[7:44] ***tY***: basically, if it isn't making you feel good as a sub.. move on
[7:45] Pirate Russell: Some dominants (Small "d" intentional) will use some of the good stuff to draw submissives in so they CAN abuse them!
[7:45] ***ZB***: not as a sub...if it isn;t making you feel good as a person, or woman, or man, or cockewr spaniel..whatever..if it doesn;t feel good, go elsewhere
[7:45] ***tY***: the difficult thing for some subs are when they are masochistic, as they can find it hard to know when they are being abused and when they are not
[7:46] Steel Shackle (RW) 1.13 whispers: Kiri gathers what's left of her energy to fight her Steel Shackle (RW) 1.13 some more...
[7:46] ***ZB***: *smiles at Miss ***tY***..."The age old question..How do you punish a pain slut? Chcola***tY***? Foot rubs?
[7:46] ***tY***: well, I made the differentiation because it is not always the right of a slave, in my mind, to feel good.. but it is the right of a submissive
[7:47] Pirate Russell: A Masochist walks up to a Sadist and says, "Hurt me." The Sadist says, "Ok", and walks away
[7:47] ***tY***: giggles
[7:47] ***TF***: i think its easier to see abuse when it happens to someone else then when it happend to the one beeing abused.Thats what makes it hard to get out sometimes. Abuse is in the mindset as well
[7:47] ***tY***: yes, I think so too tesia
[7:47] Pirate Russell: Abuse is a mind-set above and beyond physical!
[7:48] ***BH***: the essential thing is to communicate with the Dom/me....even if a sub may not speak, theres ALWAYS ways. a sub can then determine by the Dom/me's reaction...whether it's abusive or not. basically, any Dom/me wotrth their salt will at least respond to a subbie in distress, whether to comfort them, or back off
[7:48] ***tY***: my rule of thumb is.. if it is making me unhappy.. talk about it.. if it can't be fixed.. then moving on is the solution
[7:48] ***ZB***: Very wise Miss ***tY***
[7:48] Pirate Russell: Perfectly said, ***tY***!
[7:49] ***tY***: and I am not masochistic, but I have g/fs who are.. I say to them, yes, I know you are masochistic.. but is what he is doing making you happy?
[7:49] ***ZB***: For sdome, abuse can depoend on understanding...If a sub understands why she is being spanked, it's punishment,,,,if she has no idea, it is abuse
[7:49] ***tY***: and if it is not, then..perhaps it is abuse
[7:49] Pirate Russell: Unless it IS making her happy, even if she can't identify why
[7:50] ***tY***: if you are masochistic, it is supposed to feel good, if it isn't feeling good.. think about it
[7:50] Pirate Russell: it's supposed ot feel good BECAUSE it doens't feel good!
[7:50] ***tY***: yes Sir ***ZB***
[7:51] ***tY***: giggles, yes Miss Pirate
[7:51] ***BH***: understanding is important. even for masochists, it's better if there's a reason you're being racked
[7:51] ***ZB***: Even if it is "It's Tuesday"
[7:51] ***XD***: i am copy and pasting much of this lecture.. so i can have for future reference.. i am learning so much
[7:51] ***tY***: and racking a masochist as punishment/.. giggles
[7:51] ***BH***: best way to punish a masochist....treat 'em nice
[7:51] Pirate Russell: From thefreedictionary.com 2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
[7:52] Pirate Russell: isn't mistreatment abuse?
[7:52] ***tY***: right, if it isn't giving you pleasure.. time to have a chat with the DOm or Domme
[7:52] Pirate Russell: See, we can get caught up here in semantics, as well! LOL
[7:53] ***tY***: well, one could argue that humiliation is abuse, but it isn't, if the person being humiliated wants it
[7:53] Pirate Russell: And masochists are a small part of the 'submissive' group.
[7:53] Pirate Russell: For most of y'all, if it hurts, or if it's no fun, it's abuse. There IS a difference between "hurt" and "Injure"
[7:54] Pirate Russell: but I mean "Hurt" as way down inside, the "this is NOT fun" kind
[7:54] ***ZB***: nods
[7:55] ***tY***: for example, is it humiliation if I am dragged through a sim naked on a collar?.. some say so.. but it is only abuse if it is done without my consent
[7:55] ***ZB***: that moment when safewords go out the window, replaced by Get AWAY from me Mother fucker!
[7:55] Pirate Russell pulls te
[7:55] ***tY***: lol Sir ***ZB***
[7:55] ***IM***, giggles
[7:55] ***XD***: lol
[7:55] Pirate Russell: ***tY***'s shoulder straps down
[7:56] Pirate Russell: LOL
[7:56] ***tY***: giggles at Miss Pirate
[7:56] ***ZB***: I know LOTS of women who get very turned on by public nudity, or control
[7:56] ***ZB***: not abuse unless the girl doesn;t wish it
[7:56] ***tY***: right, I agree
[7:56] Pirate Russell raises Her hand! I like to do it to girls, and like to be .... *accidentally* seen in RL
[7:56] ***tY***: giggles
[7:56] ***IM***, : How much abuse happens in the opposite direction? Sub abusing Dom?
[7:56] ***BH*** grins
[7:57] ***tY***: good question, lbrew
[7:57] ***ZB*** has a momentary memory of a ladies room in a mall...then refocusses
[7:57] Pirate Russell: THAT WAS YOU!?!?
[7:57] ***IM***, laughs
[7:57] ***ZB***: god I hope not
[7:57] ***tY***: if the sub can top him and he is unaware.. then she may be able to abuse him
[7:58] Pirate Russell enjoys doing things like this
[7:58] Pirate Russell: imremove shirt
[7:58] ***IM***, : meep!
[7:58] ***tY***: giggles
[7:58] ***ZB***: And who wouldn't?
[7:58] ***BH*** giggles and checks her corset laces
[7:59] ***ZB***: can a sub abuse a Dom? certainly
[7:59] ***ZB***: if she does things simply to upset him, or wind his chain? Happens a lot
[7:59] Pirate Russell: Topping for the bottom
[7:59] ***IM***, nods
[7:59] ***tY***: and some girls like to push the boundaries, I know I do
[8:00] ***tY***: like to see if he is paying attention, giggles
[8:00] Pirate Russell: Pushing boundries is one thing, and something I enjoy on occaison, but sighing with each command, until I give the one you want
[8:00] ***ZB***: sometimes it takes a concious effort to go into Dom Space...and let all the games fall away
[8:01] Pirate Russell: YES, ***ZB***!! Much is said about 'sub Space'. We do get into "Dom Space" too!
[8:01] ***tY***: oh, if a girl is hestiant about all requests, that would just be a waste of time..
[8:02] Pirate Russell: ***tY***, what is this "request", of which girl speaks?
[8:02] Pirate Russell: He he
[8:02] ***tY***: smile, it is a request, in some way.. as I am submissive, I have the right to say no ;)
[8:03] ***ZB***: well, that walks into the best way to torment a sub..."Whatever you wish..."
[8:03] ***BH*** shudders
[8:03] Pirate Russell: Well, on that note I'm gonna wind it up.... The transcripts for all classes before this, including ***ZB***'s Monday Class (Next one at 6am, next Monday) are at http://collegeofkink.blogspot.com