SUBMISSIVE RIGHTS & DOMINANT RESPONSIBILITIES - Thursday

7/10/08 13:04 Start
[13:04] Pirate Russell: Welcome to D/s 101, Relationships, Dominant Responsibilities and submisive rights.
[13:05] Pirate Russell: For those that don't know Me, I'm Pirate Russell, Head Mistress of the College of Kink. I've been in SL for almost 3 yrs, all of it as a Domme, and have been a Domme in other MMORPGs
[13:05] ***TF*** whispers "wow"
[13:06] ***OE***: very happy to meet You
[13:06] Pirate Russell: I'm gonna talk for a bout 5 or 10 min at the start, and then open it up to discussion, and to be fair, ***IM*** and ***BH*** are Mine, kiri was, and gracie and I play on occasion
[13:06] ***KC*** smiles
[13:06] Pirate Russell: Hiya ***BJ***, welcome, pleas pull up a subbie, er a seat... he he
[13:07] ***TF*** giggles
[13:07] ***IM*** giggles
[13:07] ***BJ***: thank You Miss Pirate . . . perhaps i should kneel?
[13:07] Pirate Russell: Up to you, I'm pretty informal at these, I'm here for the teaching, not the whipping, 'till later, anyway
[13:08] ***BJ***: lol, yes Mistress
[13:08] ***PD*** grins
[13:09] Pirate Russell: Alllllll rightie thien
[13:09] Pirate Russell: I'd like to get the ball rolling by making the point that BDSM relationships are just that, releationships.
[13:10] Pirate Russell: Not unlike a RL marriage or SL partnership. Each is different, even within a Family. My relationships with ***BH*** and ***IM*** are VERY different from eachother
[13:10] ***IM*** giggles
[13:11] Pirate Russell: And trying to make it fit a mold will just make it impossible to achieve. Call it slave, call it sub, call it pet, they all have different meanings to everyone, so you have to have the one thing I will harp on EVERY class and VERY often.... COMMUNICATION
[13:11] ***TF*** nods
[13:12] Pirate Russell: From here I'd like to move to the subby rights. That is the MAIN drive for this class, so that subbies can enjoy their time, as well
[13:13] Pirate Russell: I'm gonna toss out 4 of the 8 rights, and we can discuss any or all of the first half
[13:13] Pirate Russell: 1) You have the right to be respected. No one should be ordering you around or expecting you to answer questions or doing things you're not comfortable with.
[13:13] Pirate Russell: 2) You have the right to your freedom. Just because someone is interested in you, they can't take your freedom from you. Don't let anyone try to intimidate you; you belong to no one until you offer yourself to them. They can't restrict you in any way until you allow that; and they try.
[13:13] Pirate Russell: 3) You have a right to be satisfied--emotionally and physically. This is a relationship, kids. While the power control aspect does add a few kinks (pun intended) into the mix, you don't get extra points for making yourself into a sacrificial lamb for someone else's amusement and/or satisfaction. Get what you need or find someone else that will give it to you.
[13:13] Pirate Russell: 4) You have a right to take your time and not rush into anything # ever. Being chained in the doorway, naked and # vulnerable # isn't really a good time to find out your Dominant wants to explore their sadistic side a little more. Talk, talk, talk # and talk some more. If you have concerns that aren't addressed, move on. It's not worth the risk.
[13:15] Pirate Russell: I know those are all mouths full, but basically the subby has the RIGHT to be respected for the GIFT they give Us, to be Satisified, and not be rushed into something
[13:15] Pirate Russell: I'll open this up to discussion....... right....... NOW!
[13:16] Pirate Russell listens to the crickets, hoping everyone hastheir typing animations turned off, like I do........
[13:16] ***TF*** giggles
[13:16] ***BH*** giggles
[13:17] Pirate Russell: no questions, discussion, dirty jokes??
[13:17] ***GH*** raises hand
[13:17] Pirate Russell: Yes gracie?
[13:17] ***GH***: may I tp a friend i know you already started but she is interested
[13:17] Pirate Russell: ABSOLUTELY!
[13:17] ***GH***: ty Miss
[13:18] Pirate Russell: She'll just have to stay after class for spankings
[13:18] ***GH***: *GIGGLES* :)~~~~
[13:18] Pirate Russell: No questions, I'll move on to the other 4
[13:19] Pirate Russell: 5) You DON'T have a right to play "needy and desperate." Who in the world wants to own someone that doesn't have a backbone and will submit to anyone for any reason? Big satisfaction potential there.
[13:19] Pirate Russell: Hiya, ziggy, join U/us
[13:19] ***TF*** giggles a little too loud
[13:19] Pirate Russell: 6) You have a right to respect yourself. This means holding out for the relationship YOU want and not being talked into the relationship someone else wants with you. You're submissive, not stupid and, if you're not going to be happy, you're only wasting everyone's time. And, a collar # any collar # isn't worth your peace of mind. Honest. It has to be the right one.
[13:20] Pirate Russell: 7) You have a right to be safe. This means having the identity of the one you're going to be spending time with. If you have concerns, tell them. If they don't readily offer information you request, wonder why. And, keep moving.
[13:20] Pirate Russell: 8) You have the right to enjoy this # always. If you find you're in a relationship that's bringing more tears, confusion and unreasonable or uncomfortable demands than smiles and # warm fuzzies # take some time to pull back and see what's going on or talk with someone else about it, either your Dominant or a friend who knows the lifestyle. It's very possible that you've fallen into the "comfort zone" of being in a relationship just to be in a relationship. That's no good. The same basics apply here as anywhere; something's wrong if you're taking medication just to get up in the morning. You deserve more than that. Have the courage to find it. You'll be glad you did!"
[13:21] Pirate Russell: for more huge groups of words that baically don't be needy, respect yourself, be safe and have fun! All RIGHTS for the submissive
[13:21] ***TF*** nods head in agreement
[13:22] Pirate Russell takes a qick look around the room... anyone here not a sub?
[13:22] ***TF***: I am assuming you are mixing sub and switch together?
[13:23] Pirate Russell: Well, cover your Domme ear, and leave your subby one open... he he
[13:23] ***TF*** giggles
[13:23] ***IM*** giggles
[13:23] Pirate Russell: Ok, everyone keep this one to yourselves... submissives have ALL the power in online BDSM!
[13:23] Pirate Russell: ALL OF IT!
[13:24] ***TF*** puzzled look
[13:24] Pirate Russell: If I just slap pissed ***BH*** off, she could take off/reset the collar and restraints, drop Me from her firends list and mute Me, not a #$%^ing thing I can do about it!
[13:25] Pirate Russell: Y'all rule the D/s relationship!
[13:26] Pirate Russell: Epp, My southern language is slipping in, but you see My point. In RL I might beat you into submission, chain you to a wall, etc, but online the relationship is here as long as YOU are!
[13:26] Pirate Russell: now I'd hope that we'd talk a lot first and it didn't come out of the blue, but it could be that quick, and it's over!
[13:26] ***TF*** seems to get it
[13:27] Pirate Russell: Comes back to the "C" word, though -no not that one- COMMUNICATION! if you find the right Dominant, you can tell Her/him what you want, and your limits, and what you MIGHT wanna try, and this can be fun!!!
[13:28] ***TF*** very big smile
[13:28] Pirate Russell: If you have the wrong Dominant what's it like, kiri?
[13:28] ***KC*** giggles
[13:28] Pirate Russell: No, it ISN"T giggles
[13:28] ***PD***: it can be boring, laughs...for both and disappointing
[13:28] Pirate Russell: it's tears, it's guilt....
[13:29] ***KC*** laughs at Miss and says not fun
[13:29] Pirate Russell: Hiya Blaze have a seat
[13:29] ***TF*** whispers "or they are just creeps..."
[13:29] ***BF***: Hello Thankyou
[13:29] Pirate Russell: WB Mesa
[13:29] ***OE***: thank You, Pirate
[13:29] ***PD***: welcome back mesa
[13:29] ***OE***: special *hugs* to Piperbree smiles
[13:30] Pirate Russell: ANYone else with a bad Dominant experience?
[13:30] ***PD*** smiles, no worries...just a lil cut and paste
[13:30] ***OE***: real time yes
[13:30] ***TF***: Justt a play session or two. It was very unfun.
[13:30] Pirate Russell: And could you take the cross talk to IM please
[13:30] ***OE***: called himself master
[13:30] ***OE***: all he mastered in was domineering
[13:31] Pirate Russell: Well that is a technique, but not fun for the sub, and the sub quits
[13:31] ***OE***: got to the point i became very afraid of him
[13:31] ***TF*** nods at mesa
[13:31] ***OE***: but.. i know to have an safety or two in place
[13:31] Pirate Russell: that's why I 100000000% suggest that you treat it, as was said on Tues, as dating.
[13:32] ***OE***: within one call..he was removed from my home in around five hours and put into a motel
[13:32] ***OE***: this is so true
[13:33] ***OE***: W/we aren't ***TF***s or play things to be used and tossed
[13:33] Pirate Russell: Ahh, this was RL relationship, mesa?
[13:33] ***OE***: yes
[13:33] ***OE***: i am real life
[13:33] Pirate Russell: Ahh, that's a little different, there is a physical component that W/we dont' have here
[13:34] ***OE***: very true
[13:34] ***OE***: i have learned to really listen
[13:34] ***TF*** nods "and it is very scary in RL"
[13:34] Pirate Russell: And congrats, takes a STRONG woman to give the GIFT of herself in RL!
[13:34] ***OE***: tones tell me a lot
[13:34] Pirate Russell: have a scene, have a temporary submission, and see if you like it.... Her/him. TALK about limits and likes, if you wanna move forward, play some more, like courting
[13:34] ***OE***: thank You, a backbone
[13:35] Pirate Russell: I'd say, "BAWLS", but that doesn't seem to apply! he he. I don't have those guts!
[13:35] ***OE***: i can't stress this enough when i talk to someone who has mis conceptions
[13:35] ***OE***: lloll
[13:36] ***OE***: in a lot of situration it does
[13:36] Pirate Russell: 2 of My girls are RL, and they're quite different animals... he he
[13:36] ***OE***: smiles
[13:36] ***OE***: no two are alike as no two have same needs
[13:37] Pirate Russell: Yes, I addressed that at the begining, that this is a RELATIONSHIP, be it sub, slave, pet, etc. EVERY term means something different to someone different
[13:37] ***OE***: yes
[13:38] Pirate Russell: Not unlike a marriage, both parties have to mold it into something that works for YOU, not a cookie cutter D/s relationship
[13:38] ***TF*** nods
[13:38] Pirate Russell: Well, I'd like to move to the last part, what I considder Dominant responsibilities.
[13:39] Pirate Russell: This is taken from the Dominants Creed.
[13:39] ***OE***: even with the so call master that i was with.. i knew him two yrs.. but.. it was all lies.. he saw a good thing and showed all the rights .. then the true colors come to light
[13:39] Pirate Russell: there are about a zillion of them, just gonna touch on a few that jump out at Me
[13:40] Pirate Russell: This is the basis of My Domme philosophy: Above all else a Dom/me cherishes Their submissive, in the knowledge that the gift the submissive gives Them is the greatest gift of all.
[13:40] ***OE***: absouletly *truth*
[13:41] Pirate Russell: Anyone that gives Me the gift of herself, is giving Me the most precious thing there is in SL, her time & Love.
[13:41] ***TF*** smiles and nods
[13:41] Pirate Russell: Money is cheap, stuff is cheap, you can fall from 1km up and do a 10pt landing
[13:41] Pirate Russell: time you can't make, and love you can't take, time is given, and love is earned
[13:42] Pirate Russell: In times of trouble, a Dom/me will leave the roles behind, to be a supportive friend and partner, never forgetting that this is still a loving relationship between two caring individuals.
[13:42] ***TF*** whispers "mutual respect..."
[13:42] Pirate Russell: To win a submissive's mind, body, spirit, soul, and love, a Dom/me knows They must first win their trust.
[13:43] Pirate Russell: I have heard something last class that if I EVER collar another girl, I will do. The new girl will not call Me Mistress.... until I've earned that title
[13:43] ***TF*** giggles
[13:43] ***BF***: *raises hand*
[13:44] Pirate Russell: girl will call Me "Miss" & "Ma'am" until I've earned the title
[13:44] Pirate Russell: yes, Blaze
[13:44] ***BF***: how do you earn that trust without loosing the respect of a dom?
[13:44] ***OE***: the title is also earned and except for the value of respect love and honor
[13:45] Pirate Russell: Well, I'm on the Dom side, ***BH*** or ***IM*** would girls care to take a stab at that?
[13:45] Pirate Russell: I see that trust and respct are similar but 2 things
[13:46] ***BH***: girl isn't sure what Miss Blazen is asking Mistress
[13:46] Pirate Russell: I respect My girls, and trust them, too. But trust that I won't cross limits.... that I won't hurt them....
[13:46] ***TF***: *raises hand*
[13:46] Pirate Russell: Don't need to rasie hands if we're on topic, just jump in
[13:47] Pirate Russell: or raise them, either
[13:47] ***TF***: I kept my mistress as a friend for a while and kept other things seperate and distant.
[13:47] ***TF***: I was the one that allowed it to go up a level.....
[13:48] ***TF***: and then another level. I removed my "space" and gave myself to her.
[13:48] ***BF***: I mean a dom has a reputation to uphold.. so what I am saying I guess since there is talk about getting a subs respect and trust how would you go about that without losing the repuation as a dom.. (did that make sence> lol)
[13:48] ***TF***: I didn't do that unless I respected her and trusted her more and more.
[13:49] ***TF***: At some point, I agreed to call her Mistress and to start my training.
[13:49] Pirate Russell: yes, it did. I did, do, it by trying to be consistant, have good RP with My girls, respecting them, but still being dominating
[13:49] ***BF***: I see..;p
[13:49] Pirate Russell: not violating limits, maybe pushing them on occasion, but I"m not a "Meet 'em & Beat 'em" kind of Domme, either!
[13:50] ***IM***: A Domme can show Her ability to handle issues and events, thus earning respect. When She shows She won't hurt you She can earn your trust. Does that make sense?
[13:50] ***BF***: yeah there are alot of dom that likes to beat and degrade
[13:50] ***TF*** nods
[13:50] ***OE***: yes
[13:50] ***TF***: yes
[13:50] ***PD*** nods
[13:50] ***BF***: yeah
[13:50] Pirate Russell tousels ***BH***'s hair, "I'd much rather love on them, bind them up and molest them!" he he
[13:50] ***OE***: to never *harm*
[13:50] ***BF***: lol
[13:51] ***GH***: *GIGGLES* :)~~~~
[13:51] ***BH***: those are the one that are more likely concerned about losing respect from absence of title as well
[13:51] Pirate Russell: Dont' get Me wrong.... there's are people that enjoy that, and I do it on occasion, but as mesa will attest, there's a difference between a beating and injury
[13:51] ***BF*** nods
[13:52] ***OE***: yes
[13:52] Pirate Russell: Or "hurt" and "Injure"
[13:52] ***IM***: Also as mentioned in the last class, trust and respect can be lost as well as gained.
[13:52] ***OE***: for instance.. i love flogging.. would i except that as a beating ?? no
[13:52] Pirate Russell: Yes, that it can ***IM***, that's something that scares the $#|+ out of Me
[13:53] Pirate Russell: See, there's an instance of words meaning different to different people
[13:53] ***OE***: smiles*
[13:54] Pirate Russell: I'll bet ya 10L that mesa has had DISCUSSIONS with her Dominant(s) about limits, not just in floggings, too!
[13:54] ***BF***: lol
[13:54] ***OE***: most diffently so
[13:54] ***OE***: safety is an very huge issue with me
[13:55] Pirate Russell: So that should happen here in SL, too. we all pay the same ammount ( or not) to 'play' here. you have the RIGHT to have fuN!
[13:55] ***OE***: may i give an example
[13:55] Pirate Russell: Please do!
[13:55] ***OE***: yes it should be
[13:55] ***OE***: my ex so call master.. loves breathe play..
[13:55] ***OE***: he got angery and put me down
[13:56] ***OE***: know how dangerous this is ??
[13:56] ***IM***: Eeep.
[13:56] ***KC*** shudders
[13:56] ***OE***: we all have guts
[13:56] ***OE***: and red flags
[13:56] ***OE***: i didn't listen to mine
[13:56] ***OE***: and nearly ended in a very bad situration
[13:57] Pirate Russell: "Ended" being the operative term?
[13:57] ***OE***: it would be when i was coming out of it
[13:57] ***OE***: that he would demand things i do
[13:57] ***OE***: no concerns of me
[13:57] ***OE***: this is abuse
[13:58] ***OE***: many online go real time
[13:58] ***OE***: i know of a girl
[13:58] ***OE***: that the maids found
[13:58] ***OE***: still bound gagged and beatened
[13:59] ***OE***: he just left her there
[13:59] ***BF***: omg
[13:59] ***OE***: she nearly died
[13:59] ***GH***: wow
[13:59] Pirate Russell: Yes, in RL be careful for safety, in SL be careful with your hearts
[13:59] ***OE***: what Pirate is saying is right on .. listen
[14:00] ***OE***: yes
[14:00] Pirate Russell: I'm gonna wrap this up with Rule 1b from My own Family rules. My girls, ***BH*** and ***IM***, and kiri and gracie prolly know this one......
[14:00] Pirate Russell: Rule 1b) Since this is a game, if you're not having fun, tell Me, we'll do something else, or we'll play separately for a while, or for good. But please TELL ME!
[14:01] ***GH*** nods
[14:01] ***TF*** nods
[14:01] ***KC*** shakes her head yes
[14:01] ***IM*** smiles and nods
[14:01] Pirate Russell: If a dominant disregars your feelings, wishes and limits, KICK 'M TO THE CURB! girls have the RIGHT to enjoy SL, as much as We do!
[14:02] ***TR***: I ran away from my master
[14:02] ***TF***: good for you!
[14:02] ***OE***: there is also that red x mark too
[14:02] Pirate Russell: If that was the right decision, then good on you for getting out of a bad situation
[14:03] ***TR***: oh it was bad
[14:03] ***TF***: How can it be a wrong decisions if the comfort is gone?
[14:03] ***OE***: growth stopped perhaps?
[14:03] ***TR***: was my worse time on SL
[14:03] ***TF***: That is the trap my friends hear in RL at abuse clinics....
[14:03] Pirate Russell: And welcome Tanith, and Soverign, sorry I missed that before he he
[14:03] ***TR***: yeah sorry ....got here too late
[14:04] ***ST*** nods to Pirate
[14:04] ***OE***: hello Soverign
[14:04] ***IM***: The problem with the subby's power is that it's an all or nothing thing. You can communicate and ask but your only choices are stay or leave.
[14:04] ***TF***: There is nothing wrong with asking after playing "are you good?"
[14:04] ***OE***: hello Tanith
[14:04] ***TR***: hiya mesa
[14:04] ***ST***: There is a useful class available to all on taking SL to RL
[14:04] ***TF***: or leave temporarily....
[14:05] Pirate Russell: yes, ***IM*** in most cases, unfortunately that's true! I'd like to think in O/our Family it's not, however
[14:05] ***ST***: given by women with experience, I will speak to Pirate about it.
[14:05] ***IM***: If you leave temporarily, you lose the trust, though.
[14:05] Pirate Russell: But leaving temporarily, CAN be seen as topping from the bottom, too!
[14:05] ***OE***: you can loose more.............
[14:05] ***IM***: Exactly.
[14:05] ***OE***: self worth
[14:06] ***TF***: really you lose trust because a limit has been reached or exceeded? I think something is wrong...
[14:06] Pirate Russell: And thank you Sovereign, I'd be interested in that class
[14:06] ***TF***: Sorry, I have had my fair share of RL hell..
[14:06] ***TF***: There are other nightmares that can bind you....
[14:07] Pirate Russell: reached is one thing, exceeded is another. My girls will tell you I like pushing them.... just a little.... and I have broken a limit or two, always by carelessness, never intentionally
[14:07] ***OE***: ***TF*** so easy to loose site
[14:07] ***TF***: It goes back to backbone or ability to handle it in the sub....
[14:08] ***TF***: If one breaks a limit and the sub really can't handle it.... Well, damage has happened....
[14:08] ***OE***: i have an motto.....
[14:08] Pirate Russell: And sorry to interrupt, I will do a transcript and get it, and the subby Rghts, and Dominant's Creed to any that want them
[14:08] ***OE***: the longest jouney you will ever take, and the hardest, is from your head to your heart
[14:08] ***TF*** mutters
[14:09] ***TF***: There are bad relationships that can repeat over and over....
[14:09] ***OE***: smiles.. i have this Pirate..thank You
[14:10] ***TF***: It takes a huge effort to do the right thing for yourself when your emotions are tied into things.
[14:10] ***IM*** nods
[14:10] ***TF***: Whether sub leaving dom or spouse leaving spousal abuser or so on....
[14:11] ***TR***: trouble is you dont always know what yer getting into at the start
[14:11] ***OE***: then perhaps when three steps are takened forwards, you may need to step back 2 1/2 ?
[14:11] ***OE***: rethink
[14:11] ***TF***: The thing is that no matter how it starte or who started it, you can leave!!!!!
[14:11] ***OE***: yes
[14:11] ***TF***: That is your right....
[14:12] ***TF***: Hopefully before that point, you will communicate.... if not....
[14:12] ***TF***: you think and you decide....or try again
[14:12] ***TF***: sorry
[14:12] ***OE***: this is the dating phase of thing
[14:12] ***OE***: as in high school remember?
[14:12] Pirate Russell: Absolutely!! There is NEVER a right reason for abuse. I worked as a 911 operator for several years, and the serial-domestic callers were VERY dificult to stomach
[14:13] ***TF***: it doesn't matter what phase....
[14:13] Pirate Russell: Very difficult to take seriously
[14:13] ***TR***: most masters are very willful...trying to reason with them is not easy
[14:13] ***OE***: i worked with abused women children and yes men
[14:13] ***OE***: very hard
[14:14] ***TF***: they are all relationships.....
[14:14] Pirate Russell: Yes, they are!
[14:15] Pirate Russell: Let Me tie this up, by saying, EVERYone in SL, Dom or sub, is a person worthy of respect, and has the right to enjoy their time in SL!
[14:15] ***OE***: isn't sometimes in the form of the question asked and how to communicate .. Dominants as subs can not read minds
[14:15] Pirate Russell: Communication up front is ESSENTIAL or you'll never have the strong relationships that W/we all want!
[14:16] Pirate Russell: ESPECIALLY in these little text boxes!
[14:16] ***KC*** agrees
[14:16] ***TF*** giggles quietly
[14:17] Pirate Russell: Unfortunately I need to wrap up My participation in this, I need to start thinking about dinner, Hubby'll be home in half hr, and I don't wanna lose My girls' respect by getting MY ass beat!
[14:17] Pirate Russell: LOL
[14:17] ***KC*** giggles
[14:17] ***TF***: thank you Mistress Pirate!
[14:17] ***IM*** laughs
[14:18] ***BF***: lol , thanks priate the information you gave was useful
[14:18] ***OE***: thank You, Pirate...
[14:18] ***OE***: valuable information
[14:18] ***KC***: thank You Miss Pirate for a very insightful lesson
[14:18] Pirate Russell: This is a subject that is NEAR and DEAR to My heart! I've had to do.... kiri-nterventions with girls that didnt' know this and were abused
[14:18] ***PD*** smiles, thank you Miss Pirate
[14:18] ***BF***: and some info the girls gave came in handy as well
[14:18] Pirate Russell: And I want to thank y'all for participating
[14:18] ***GH***: Thank you Miss,great class
[14:19] ***IM***: Thank You, Mistress.
[14:19] Pirate Russell: yes, thank you all! I crave discussion, cuz I LEARN from y'all at least as much as y'all learn fro Me
[14:19] ***TF*** nods
[14:19] Pirate Russell: Plus it's a lot less work fro Me! LOL
[14:19] ***BH***'s fiddle(spine): ***BH*** has detached her HUD cache !
[14:19] ***TF***: Thank you ***BH*** and Kiri!
[14:19] ***PD***: bye A/all
[14:19] ***ST*** notes he is the only male here, but arrived late too.
[14:19] ***OE***: smiles
[14:19] ***TF***: bye now all!
[14:19] ***KC*** smiles
[14:20] ***OE***: knows this to be truth
[14:20] Pirate Russell: I have list, any other than mesa not want a transcript?
[14:20] ***OE***: thank You again
[14:20] ***TF***: I will take one Mistress.
[14:20] ***TF***: Ooops. I misread.
[14:20] ***TF***: Ty
[14:20] ***OE***: i was given a note card, but, yes, would be much appreciated
[14:21] Pirate Russell: Also I have transcripts from Tuesday's meeting if any want those
[14:21] ***KC***: yes Miss girl would like one thank You
[14:21] Pirate Russell: Same subject
[14:21] ***OE***: please
[14:21] ***TF***: I would love that!
[14:21] ***TF***: Please thank you!
[14:22] ***GH***: bye everyone have to run

7/10/08 14:22 End